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[*] posted on 20-5-2009 at 07:33 AM


I understand I could have/should have said why, but i was trying to keep that aside from the main question of.......would it work? or been tried?



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[*] posted on 20-5-2009 at 07:40 AM


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Go to a different smog station then. I'm in L.A., so I'm pretty familiar with strict Cali emissions regulations. I've never been to a smog station that studied the vacuum routing. If the engine looks like it should be there, as the 5E does, I don't think you should have an issue (I didn't).


Yeah, Just cops around here will send you to a smog referee for anything, even just an exhaust, and a Referee will not pass the car with a 5EFE. IF the head swap worked I doubt they would be able to tell that the block is not really a 3E block.

Also the other thing is I would have to get a USDM 5E Intake manifold, cause the Jap one will not include an EGR. So just to "save headaches" I was looking at swapping the 3E parts with all OEM smog equipment and ECU.




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[*] posted on 20-5-2009 at 09:26 AM


A referee can assign a new BAR with an engine change...you would be able to legally get it passed if it retains all smog equipment.

Hell, I Have a JDM 5efe with no EGR in my Paseo and I passed here in Cali legally.




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[*] posted on 20-5-2009 at 01:06 PM


I take it cali sucks big time aas far as emmisions go's.
I hope arizona doesn't get that way.
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[*] posted on 20-5-2009 at 01:21 PM


I don't think this is possible, I,m not very good in mecanic, but:

1- 3ee has 12valve and 5e 16
2- moving from 5efe to 3ee, loosing the DOHC
3- the Bore (mm) isn,t the same: 3ee = 73 and 5e = 74


there is maybe more points that it couldn,t fit, or Like maybe someone said, but it,s only a fact, that this is a bad swap :bump:

you can try, but I think this will fail...

http://www.tercelreference.com/tercel_info/engine_info/engine_info....

for 3ee they say:

Connecting Rods: 3E, 1st gen 5E-FE, 2nd gen 5E-FE (1995-1996), 2nd gen 5E-FE (1997+, similar but diff Toyota part #), 3E-TE (upgrade), 5E-FHE (upgrade)
Pistons: 3E, 3E-TE (lower compression)

5e 1st gen:

Camshafts: 4E-FTE, 5E-FHE (slightly higher lift / duration)
Valvetrain: 4E-FTE, 5E-FHE
Head: 4E-FTE, 5E-FHE
Block: 5E-FHE
Pistons: 4E-FTE (lower compression), 5E-FHE (higher compression), 2nd gen 5E-FE (lower compression)
Connecting Rods: 3E, 3E-E, 3E-TE (upgrade), 2nd gen 5E-FE (1995-1996), 2nd gen 5E-FE (1997+, similar but diff Toyota part #), 5E-FHE (upgrade)
Crankshaft: 5E-FHE
Exhaust Manifold: 4E-FTE (turbo manifold, not recommended), 2nd gen 5E-FE, 5E-FHE (upgrade)



5e 2nd gen:

Pistons: 4E-FTE (lower compression), 1st gen 5E-FE (higher compression) 5E-FHE (higher compression), 4E-FE (higher compression)
Connecting Rods: 3E, 3E-E, 3E-TE (upgrade), 2nd gen 5E-FE (1995-1996), 2nd gen 5E-FE (1997+, similar but diff Toyota part #), 5E-FHE (upgrade)

I don't think the block is the same for 3ee and 5efe 1st gen so that's why I would say it will fail :dunno:






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[*] posted on 20-5-2009 at 02:42 PM


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I don't think the block is the same for 3ee and 5efe 1st gen so that's why I would say it will fail :dunno:




They are the same so are the rods only difference is the pistons and the head evrything else is the same excluding the intake and exhaust manifolds.
And the only differenc that i see with the 4efe is the 3e/5e has a taller block thats about it.
although the 4efte has a couple of drifferent features about it.
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[*] posted on 31-5-2009 at 07:00 PM


Well, anything on this head swap yet?
Oh,well another peice of wasted space I guess!!!!
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[*] posted on 31-5-2009 at 10:58 PM


You got a real attitude probelm...jeez:dunno:

I'm sorry I don't have soo much free time to try it out the day after i asked this question. I work 60 hrs a week graveyard shifts, so I only really have Sat-Sun to do any real "work" on mine or others cars.

I have not bought my 5EFE yet due to another motor swap I was doing for a customer of mine, I just finished his car and am looking at going down one of these weekends to purchase my engine. And I will post what I find out.




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[*] posted on 6-6-2009 at 05:43 PM


My attitude is nothing less than everyone elses I'm just not afraid to say something thats all.
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[*] posted on 13-7-2009 at 04:30 PM


Well I got a 5EFE the other day and took the head off, I will be pulling the head of my 3EE and doing some measurements. So I will keep this post updated



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[*] posted on 16-7-2009 at 12:21 PM


hey im a california residence too and i passed my smog check with flying colors =) i also passed the referee when i got a referee ticket but it took them a minute to see if its really stock...hahah also i am using a rnd gen jdm 5efe with the 5efe ecu. without egr and i still passed smog!!! and also the 5efe is a easy swap i swear hahahah juss wirings

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[*] posted on 16-7-2009 at 12:38 PM


the trick to pass emissions is to use the 3ee ecu and bring the car to them hot so your fuel burns clean.
the 3ee ecu is a down tuned ecu for the 5efe so it uses less gas.
less for the sniffer to find.

at least thats my thereoy and it's been working for me.

Oh yeah give the car a tune up before hand helps.

[Edited on 16-7-2009 by 4speedsleeper]
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[*] posted on 17-7-2009 at 12:02 AM


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hey im a california residence too and i passed my smog check with flying colors =) i also passed the referee when i got a referee ticket but it took them a minute to see if its really stock...hahah also i am using a rnd gen jdm 5efe with the 5efe ecu. without egr and i still passed smog!!! and also the 5efe is a easy swap i swear hahahah juss wirings

OK I am not worried about doing the swap I am fully capable of doing a more complex swap than this. Also technically you should not have passed smog without an EGR, its great that you did. But I am not looking to go that route.

But all I am trying to find out if the 3EE head will work on a 5EFE block. Its not that hard of a question :dunno:

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the trick to pass emissions is to use the 3ee ecu and bring the car to them hot so your fuel burns clean.

I'm well aware of all the tricks to pass smog, I've been in the car game for some time.

[Edited on 17-7-2009 by SlammedSix]




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[*] posted on 17-7-2009 at 02:02 AM


The 3ee head will bolt right on to the 5efe block use a 3ee gasket.
Water jackets are different on the 3ee vs the 5e.
Hope that helps you on your quest sir.


Oh you want to know if it will work!! No one knows the exactly if it will work? You would be the first to try without the correct pistons.
And the head bolts are the stretching kind.

Good news they are both non-interference motors so you maybe able to pull it off.
(For the record I would not try this at home kids)

Have you measured the valve lenght on both motors yet?
I think the 3ee valves are longer because of the dish piston.
I could be wrong ....

good luck!!!

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[*] posted on 17-7-2009 at 02:59 AM


I really doubted I was gonna be the 1st one to try this, hence me asking the question i did.

But If I am gonna be the 1st to try, then yay for me. I'll be doing all the testing this weekend




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