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[*] posted on 30-6-2008 at 11:25 AM
Manual Steering Rack&pinion for a Paseo?


Hey guys,

Does anyone know if they ever made a Paseo or Tercel with a manual rack and pinion, non-power steering? I've taken the pump off of mine because its a race only car but the steering is a little loose and I'd rather do it the right way with the correct rack.

Thanks, Doug.




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[*] posted on 30-6-2008 at 12:05 PM


Not sure about the Paseos but, pretty sure there were Tercels
which came stock with no P/S... from what I also understand,
the manual steering rack is lighter than the P/S steering rack
(weight reduction!!!)


What I did when I removed the entire P/S from my '97 Tercel
was to turn the wheel, lock to lock several times and then cap
off the holes on the rack where the hoses connected (so no
debris would get in there)



...and i"ve never had any problem... steering has always felt
smooth.

Just re-read your post... I'm assuming you removed the pump
and the hoses which went back to the steering rack, right?

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[*] posted on 30-6-2008 at 01:03 PM


i think most 4th gen (91-94) tercels had manual steering, check any 2 door tercel you can find, they are the most likely candidates. i have had 4 4th gen tercs, all 2 door, none have had power steering.




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[*] posted on 30-6-2008 at 04:08 PM


My 95 has manual steering. I try to avoid parallel parking and it is good to go.

I have always wondered if my car had a few more ponies than one with power steering since I don't have the loss from the pump.




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[*] posted on 30-6-2008 at 04:19 PM


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My 95 has manual steering. I try to avoid parallel parking and it
is good to go.

I have always wondered if my car had a few more ponies than
one with power steering since I don't have the loss from the
pump.


or the WEIGHT of the pump, associated hardware and a lighter
manual steering rack...




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[*] posted on 30-6-2008 at 09:39 PM


So with this mod is there still a need for powersteering fluid. Just thinking, my wifes Tercel which is still a baby as far as mileage goes, sometimes spits P/S fluid from on other boots so I am thinking there is some kind of seal that has gone out. I am thinking give her mine and I'll go manual.:naughty:

I like the thought of one less pulley.

Alf, how does it feel when you trun the wheel while stationary? Does it feel like somethings gonna snap or break?




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[*] posted on 30-6-2008 at 10:08 PM


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Alf, how does it feel when you trun the wheel while stationary?
Does it feel like somethings gonna snap or break?


Well, it wasn't easy with the drag radials running around
15-18 lbs but, on the way home from the track when they were
inflated to 35 lbs it was no problem AND I'm assuming with fully
inflated regular tires it'd even be easier...

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[*] posted on 30-6-2008 at 10:35 PM


Good to know!

May have sounded dumb but what about still using fluid?




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[*] posted on 4-7-2008 at 02:39 PM


No fluid.

My 91 Terc came w/o power steering, it was not really a big issue turning it in the parking lot, even w/ larger tires.

No PS: less weight, less drag on the motor, more reliability (less parts to break), more engine space, easier to access the oil filter, a more aesthetically pleasing engine bay...


I think the DX's mostly had PS...

To check steering slop, I have had someone sit in the car, move the steering wheel back and forth, and see if there is any play at the tie rod ends. W/ these being rack & pinion, I guess the only other place that clearance could be is internal to the R&P.




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[*] posted on 4-7-2008 at 03:11 PM


Very cool. I may consider going the non-power steering route when I do my engine swap.

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[*] posted on 4-7-2008 at 03:16 PM


dont forget, the shaft of the steering column that attaches to the steering rack is shorter on ps models than non ps so...you'll either have to change the column itself or, extend your current one by welding a piece on to it.:deal:

also, the plastic piece that covers where the shaft goes through the firewall is different between ps and non ps models:deal:




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[*] posted on 4-7-2008 at 03:34 PM


Quote:
Originally posted by Doug904
Hey guys,

Does anyone know if they ever made a Paseo or Tercel with a manual rack and pinion, non-power steering? I've taken the pump off of mine because its a race only car but the steering is a little loose and I'd rather do it the right way with the correct rack.

Thanks, Doug.


I was thinking of doing it more like Alf's way. Is it okay to just remove extra hardware and cap off/




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[*] posted on 4-7-2008 at 04:31 PM


nothing wrong with that way.
it works and, is a lot easier.:deal:




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[*] posted on 4-7-2008 at 04:36 PM


Then that is probably the route I'll go. :thanx:



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[*] posted on 5-7-2008 at 02:15 AM


I have all of the equipment for my car to go the non-powersteering route. Steering column and all....even with the airbag. From the donor car that I bought for the 5 speed swap.....I need to do this mod. BTW dzaster your car is coming along nicely. Almost getting to a point of glenn's car. :naughty:



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